- some say Mr. Dick looked like a trapped rodent, others say Mr. E. looked like a typical litigation attorney with grease oozing from his brow - Ralph wouldn't have lied nearly as much as these two did, but viable 3rd party candidates are not welcome by either the dems or repubs -

I found this debate incredibly uncomfortable to watch. Cheney lied frequently and did not directly respond to many of Edwards' accusations. At the same time, I thought Edwards was a little too defensive and didn't address a few vital points that Cheney brought up that he could've easily responded to. In general, I was left feeling really incomplete about the whole thing and felt that, as usual, many of the issues were oversimplified and/or mis/under-represented.

I actually did not find Edwards defensive at all, and actually marvelled at how he kept his cool in the face of the format, and at least one mistake that required him to continue with unnecessary rebuttal. It was an extremely artificial environment, but I was honestly impressed with Edwards, who I have never seen speak prior to the debate. I won't deny I have a bias for his ticket, but it's a bias that's been earned by more than the fact that he's running against Bush-Cheney.

He's a politician, no doubt, but I thought he was quite forthright, thought he continually brought himself back ontrack when he digressed (often in response to some digression that Cheney introduced), and all-in-all I came away liking him and respecting his general knowledge and intelligent delivery. And, on several occasions he delineated (to the best of his ability in the given format) a pretty clear plan of action.

Dick Cheney is no fool. He's unwavering. I found his tendency to address the moderator on a personal level annoying, and his platitudes were redundant. When I watch Dick Cheney, I come away with a sense that he doesn't (at all) want to bother to explain himself, and generally assumes the nation is full of underling fools--it's just my impression of him.

It was, indeed, a political debate, but I found it reasonably interesting.

I had several different opinions: I did find it strange and completely unnecessary to discuss Dick Cheney's daughter, I hear that Edwards Kids are Hetrosexual ! It just isn't an issue that needed to be disucssed.

I don't have a problem with a trial lawyer, they are real handy to have around when you have been the victim of wrongdoers. Public Citizen came out again today with FACTS about mal practice, however it appears FACTS are not the coin of the realm these days.

It is difficult for me to comment past that, I openly admit I don't like Dick Cheney and everything he stands for so it is hard for me to have any objectivity....I have met Edwards at the Benson in Portland, OR and he seems much nicer in person; however, I keep waiting for him to sell me life insurance or a good used car, the difference is I WOULD buy a used car from him and not Cheney!

Bill,

I loved your final thought!! It made me laugh--Edwards is definately "polished." The thing about Dick Cheney's daughter, though. I watched the debates twice, because I had heard a comment earlier about the inappropriateness of Edwards' remark from a network commentator. Actually, the question of gay marriage was brought up by the moderator, and Dick Cheney himself brought up his daughter, and his own personal feelings about "freedom to chose" first. Edwards really just acknowledged Cheney's potential conflict with his administration's policy, and I thought it was one of the few moments when both men seemed really human.

But it has been oft-discussed today. It's funny, I just took it as one of the most genuine moments of the debate, but it has surely raised a lot of controversy.

I agree, I have become cynical I don't think politicians have a lot of sincere moments.....and while I tend to be cynical I also am idealistic, I just want to see the day when it is not necessary (in any context) to discuss if somebody is hetro or homosexual, .....
it's like the "One Man One Woman" thing......personally I think marriage is a losing proposition however; I don'twant politicians or the religious telling anybody who they can or can't be marrried to...it just doesn't matter....there is barely enough love to go around as it is.....anyway I hope you can understand my point.

"Some ob my best friends are gay and some are sad"

Listen up,

This is funny. We all know there would be celebrating here if Edwards hadn't been made to look silly. He was nervous and flustered. He was knocked on his can by several of Cheney's barbs. It was like Tolstoy's War and Piece (Cheney) sitting next to a comic book (Edwards). Cheney showed himself to be a true heavy weight. Edwards looked incredibly young and naive.

I actually felt sorry for Edwards.

Fleeing The Black Helicopters

my parody of "Howl" continues

Moloch! Electoral College! Oil! Bush!
What albatross of corporate orgasm hangs about their necks driving them to Wal-Mart dreams devoid of cannibas deliverance?
Moloch of Haliburton! Moloch of debates!
The stampeding elephant with dollar penis impaling all who will not prostate to the whirling madness of black helicopters high above the white domes of raw D.C. power monitoring love
Moloch of pipelines! stench! fear!
I flee the down-draft of Moloch! Rushing in madness to polls delivering sperm and eggs into the electronic beast in the name of Democracy!
Moloch of bi-partisianship! Moloch of fat-cats in suits! Moloch of the braying donkey luring prophets to desks under glaring fluorescent lights in the guise of equal opportunity!

to be continued

Well I agree Cheney is Heavy, way to heavy for me ! Mr Bhitlock ?

Listen up!?!? Roger Wilco Sarge. Yeah, I'm right there with you "Bhitlock," you've completely changed my perspective. Your compelling oratory, concise, point-by-point delineation of what a heavy-weight Cheney is, how brutally he slayed poor, "young, naive" SENATOR Edwards (fresh out of kindergarten, you know), has entirely changed my mind. I can now see the error of my celebratory ways.

Bush/Cheney heavyweight intellectuals, here I come!

Well I agree Cheney is Heavy, way to heavy for me ! Mr Bhitlock ?

As to Goesh: I do enjoy your points from time to time; I have no idea what you are "about" with this HOWL thing....I do look forward to a lively debate,backed up by FACTS or references.....We do have freedom of speech, but isn't it more effective if it is not so esoteric ?

ok ok i can take a hint im going to post some stuff from the VFW magazine in the section above