Real People, Real Preparation, Part Two

By Carolyn Baker of Speaking Truth to Power

Not all people preparing for collapse by relocating, choose to do so in the U.S. Some, like Dr. John and Nancy Andre, have relocated in other countries. The Andres have retired in Chile and spend a great deal of time working on their organic farm

John practiced at the cutting edge of Chiropractic and Naturopathy for 35 years. Nancy was a state of the art DDS with a focus on toxin free dental care. In their clinic in Kansas City they shared patients with a focus on the Whole Body Dental function. Now they live in the mountains of Chile with Los Tres Gatos (the three cats).

I conducted the following interview with John by email a few weeks ago.

CB: Tell us a little about your background, where you grew up, your family, and the work you've been doing in recent years. I know that question is really a three-part question, so take plenty of time to answer those parts.

JOHN: Nancy Mae grew up in a small town in Southern Kansas. Her family raised horses; she did barrel racing. In a town where everyone listened to Country & Western, she was heavily into Blues. After working for years as a radiology tech in a large Wichita hospital, she went to Dental School. It didn't take her too long to wake up to the fact that amalgam fillings were the worst kind of poison. She loved her patients and learned all she needed to in order to take perfect care of them.

I (John) was born in Chicago and raised in L.A. After a Chiropractor saved my life, I figured out that might be a good thing to do. Within six months of starting my practice, I became dedicated to doing discovery-based clinical research (which is still a compulsion at this time). Years later, I met this wild and wonderful hot-headed, red-headed DDS. I was hooked. In Kansas City, we built an amazing Sand-Box . . . a fun place to play and work. We hung the best art on the walls and had a state of the art high-end audio system - after all, we needed great music so we could boogie on the dance floor (until exhaustion would set in). Together, we took our healing art and our love to the highest levels imaginable. It was a party.

CB: When was the very first incident or event or experience that started you thinking about collapse? Please elaborate on that.

JOHN: Nancy and I share an interest in the study of time and space. We study history to learn about the past. We study ourselves deeply in order to learn about the 'Now'. We study prophecy and astrology to learn about the future. Because light bends, time becomes space. If timing is everything, then one should really be in the right place in order for the proper reality to manifest.

A great many years ago, while studying many lines of prophecy all at once, I got a glimpse of the future. That picture set itself in place like a tattoo on the inside of my frontal bone. I had a sense of the ordering of things. From that point forward, for me, life has been a lot like running a gauntlet......working hard to stay ahead of the '8-ball', as it were. There were many events that signaled the passage of time - the clock ticking down the minutes until 'midnight'. That sense of urgency caused us to travel extensively.

One day, two lines of force came together at the same time. So, we sat down and had a family meeting, Nancy Mae and me. I made the point that we were working our selves to death - and - that the sand was running out of the hour glass . . . that the powers that be (TPTB) had their train very much on the tracks, and the end was in sight (somewhat at a distance). I suggested that if we wanted to stay alive and survive all our wonderful patients that it was time to turn the key in the lock and walk off into the sunset (holding hands, of course). At first she argued: "But we just got to the top of the mountain - now is no time to quit." I replied: There is never a good time to quit.

CB: And then what happened? What led to the next thing and the next, and so on? What books or documentaries influenced you? Which people influenced you?

JOHN: After a week or two of discussion, we agree that it was probably the right time to do something. Previously, we discussed how sad it was that so few folks in the USA had come awake to the coming onset, the promised difficulty. Not being martyrs, we decided that meant we could not stay and fight. Reality required our going into exile, finding a foreign land we could call home. We'd traveled a lot. But, we had not found THE place. I'd always had a nagging feeling to check out Chile. We talked about it. On the spur of the moment, I got onto a plane and flew to Chile to check it out. In four days, I had found a city, an apartment, a proper (English speaking) law firm, and a relocation agent to assist us in our move.

Upon arriving back in Kansas City, I discovered that Nancy Mae was stunned with my suggesting "the time was now, and Chile was the place."

We listed the clinic and the house with Realtors, and ordered a dumpster and a container to be parked in front of our house. With her mouth, Nancy Mae said yes, let's do this. However, with her body she was saying something else. She treated patients up until the day before we got onto the plane to depart the USA.

In retrospect, considering all the books read, movies seen, lectures attended, it was the study of history that most gave its influence. That old saying comes to mind about those failing to study history being doomed to repeat it. And . . . if history does not repeat, then it at least rhymes.

CB: As you were finding yourself on this journey, did you sometimes kind of look in the mirror and ask yourself, "What on earth am I doing?" Did you ever wonder if you had lost it or taken leave of your senses?

JOHN: Yes, over the first six months, Nancy was really not sure if we had done the right thing - and of course we were really missing friends and family. Yet, as these first two years have passed, we've found that almost everything about our lives is better here than it was in the USA. We've purchased a small organic farm - along with some adjacent property - and are building a new house. Our social life is richer here. We are loving Chile.

CB: How have your family members responded to the changes you've made? Have you had conflicts with them around your changes and if so, how have you dealt with that?

JOHN: Our family members have had some mixed feelings about our big move. Our son left the USA before we did. Our two daughters have not been so fast to come awake to the present danger - they may be Egyptians, swimming in the river of De-Nile. Yet, as they are seeing the USA headed for the dumpster, they are talking about joining us here.

CB: What kinds of emotions have you experienced on this journey? As you are doing what I call "staring collapse in the face", what kinds of feelings emerge? How do you manage those feelings?

JOHN: Surely, it was the awareness of the coming collapse that got us off our butts and moved to Chile. Going into exile is a gut wrenching experience. Going somewhere where you do not know anyone and do not speak the language is a scary thing at best. I think it safe to say that we probably experienced just about the full gamut of available emotions. Yet, we have an abiding awareness that Almighty Nature - or Universe, if you prefer - has everything under control, and it is just our small selves that have some crazy need to worry about things that we know deeply inside will be more than all right in the end.

CB: I'm wondering what the role of community is in your life. It's a lonely, if not hostile, world out there if one is talking to most people about collapse. Where do you get support?

JOHN: This is the wildest part of it all - - where we bought our farm, there is a 'coming together' of some of very fun and interesting people from all over this 3rd rock from the Sun......totally unexpected. A community is forming here and we had nothing to do with it, other than to come. The future is so bright we may need to buy new sunglasses.

CB: Not everyone would say that they have a spiritual path or perhaps any interest in spirituality at all. Do you have a connection with something greater, and if so, how has it informed your life and the changes you've made? As you know I've just published a book on this topic, Sacred Demise: Walking The Spiritual Path of Industrial Civilization's Collapse because it became so clear to me that just as collapse has enormous energy, food, climate change, healthcare, and other implications, it is the consummate spiritual phenomenon of the twenty-first century. I also wrote the book to provide a roadmap for preparing emotionally and spiritually for collapse.

JOHN: We love your book - thanks tons for writing it. The world needed this book at this time.

We are very blessed to have a rich inner life. The universal law of 3-in-1 is manifest in our relationship. We have our love and our partnership with each other and with the Very Divine. We have both always felt guided and taken care of, to say the least.

CB: What is your passion these days? What gets you up in the morning and gives meaning to your life?

JOHN: Life is a banquet, a veritable feast. We are living our Chilean Adventure. It continues. It is rich; it is full; it is amazing. We are so very grateful to the Chilean people for allowing us to be guests in their country. As soon as things slow down, we must ask ourselves the question: What can we do for Chile?

CB: I have just one last question for you. I'm wondering if you can comment for our readers on life purpose. That is, what have you come to understand as your purpose in life at the present time? What did you come here to do?

JOHN: Wow . . . that is such a big question. The answer lives on so many different levels. Maybe we can speak to a few of those levels.

Two thousand years ago the instruction was given: "Love ye one another." Nancy and I are still working on that one. We mostly love everyone . . . but some folks come into to our lives to help us realize that our love has yet to become perfect. I guess God is not done with us, yet. We are still a work in progress.

Way back when, Nancy and I got cheated out of a major part of a life together. Now we get to have that time together.

We think that all things must grow. We are still working on our personal growth and development.

We have found that the final frontier is the human psychophysiology. So we spend a lot of time working on our healing. We were stunned to find some very high quality healers nearby to assist us in this most important process.

Our farm has become a vortex. We are called to attend to the growth and maintenance of this awesome force. Nancy has taken the lead here. This land, as with all land, is sacred.

Our children, grand children, and great grand child require our attention, from time to time. We think that is important.

My research into the digital switch in the human nervous system is not yet done, nor is the protocol-set I work with clinically . . . this continues.

Carolyn, thanks for this opportunity to reflect back on these past two years.

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